FeedExclusive: EDL Boasts Of Barking Violence
June 15, 2010 in EDL News, Exclusives Tags: boast, brag, disorder, edl, riot, stupid, thug, violence, violent, yob
Today’s protest against British soldiers by Muslims Against Crusades, and counter-protest by the English Defence League, has resulted thus far in only two confirmed arrests. Both are believed to be members of the EDL, one of which is alleged to be for throwing eggs at MAC.
The aftermath has been a veritable pissing contest by EDL members in attendance at the events in Barking this afternoon, who have been seen bragging openly on social networking sites about the violence they brought to the proceedings. Locals, including moderate Muslims, have been left horrified and disgusted by the actions of both groups.
Gloating EDL member posts violent video - Click to enlarge
EDL in 'war mode' against Muslim demonstrators - Click to enlarge
EDL thugs wanted more violence and less police
It seems to us that neither group did themselves any favours today, and only succeeded in simultaneously disrupting the soldiers’ homecoming parade and behaving like animals.
© One Million United
June 15th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Do you really think the EDL are at fault here? Its sickening to see MAC at this event – they are the only ones to blame here. I came back from Afganistan last year and if this had happened to me it would have taken all my strength not to break ranks. You really have no idea what is going on, you have absolutely no clue, you cant connect the dots and see the wider picture when we allow this to happen. Your allowing this to happen under free speech when its only one way. Will you be there to defend me if I decide to draw a cartoon and people are stabbing me in the street? I dont get how people who call themselves lefties defend a cult that hangs 7 year old kids in the street in the name of Allah – go there, see it, feel it and then carry on your game. The BNP and EDL are the issues we are facing here, there tiny little issues here, Islam calls for the eradication of the Jews, Hamas do, Iran does, Yousuf Al-Qaradhawir (who teachings are followed by the Muslim Council of Britain) does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsoCF-G_hmk
When is the next UAF march to protect agains Nazi MCB going to be? If you have views try to balance them.
June 15th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
no, we were protecting our freedom of speach them imperialist soldiers are killing our babies and that in MUSLIMS countries, not english countries, stay out of our countries we dont need uaf help muslims live under the will of allah and allah will guide us. may the soldiers burn for eternity for killing MUSLIMS.
June 16th, 2010 at 11:54 am
@Sajid – You are no better than the EDL or BNP, trying to deny people their freedom, and inciting violence and disorder. You are extremists and fascists.
We are not UAF; do your research before commenting, please. You sound like the EDL.
June 16th, 2010 at 11:55 am
@Jenson – we consider both groups to be to blame, if you read the articles…
“When is the next UAF march to protect agains Nazi MCB going to be? ”
How would we know? We’re nothing to do with them, and are getting really bloody bored of repeating this fact to people too lazy to read.
June 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Firstly your are agains the BNP and EDL, why? Because they are fascists, nazis etc. Well so are the beliefs of many muslim groups including the MCB so why limit the anti fascist rhetoric for these 2 group? Why not be against all fascists / nazies?
I understand your not UAF but you dont criticize them and agree with their targets. Do you ever agree with what they do and how they do it? These anti Fascists who want to tell you how to vote and think?
I personally dont agree with the war in Iraq or Afganistan, they should be here protecting the borders from the radicals that enter this country. If these countries are happy to have Taliban rule and then good luck to them. If we see training camps as there were in both countries training people to kill Westerners then we should bomb and go, no hearts and mind, no freedom for locals – destroy the threat and go.
However as a solider you go where your told, no ifs or buts, you go. The home coming parade is not the place or the people to do a protest. There were no protests by non muslims in mulsim areas after 7/7 and 9/11 as people are sensible and can see a difference. Im not EDl or BNP, I know ex soldiers who now are as they work their ass off overseas and come home to find more of the same. Britain is a multi cultural country and serves well from it, however the balance had turned too fast too quickly with no time for anyone to adjust, Islam is spreading and it does nothing but curtail civil liberties and freedom of speech, the rhetoric from it is nothing but violent and oppressive and if it was invented today it would be banned as the death cult it is.
The writ up of this event is blaming both parties. If the MAC were not there there would have been no trouble, why do Muslims who protest have to protest to the extreem, why cant they do it in a subtle, considered way when the time is right. It was not just EDL people who were acting against them, there were 60 yo ladies shouting and crying at their actions, do you bundle them into the fascist camp as well? The march there insulted every soldier, every relative and every supporter of the British Soliders, its at the point now where having any pride in your country is Fascist and makes you a Nazi.
sajid hussein is protecting his freedom of speech, the freedoms we build over hundreds of ears that it being undone in rapidly.
Sajid would you protect my freedom to free speech if I had views on islam you disliked?
June 16th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
@Jenson – “I understand your not UAF but you dont criticize them and agree with their targets.”
Do we? Where, exactly? For starters, we offer a full platform for anyone, across the spectrum; UAF are stricly no platform. Frankjly, it bores us stupid arguing the toss about irrelevancies like this.
“The writ up of this event is blaming both parties.”
And still you are complaining. We get ‘why do you not slam extrmist Muslim groups?2, so we do, and now we have you in here, STILL trying to tell us how to do our job! The EDL barely need an excuse to ‘demo’ (i.e. riot). What about Wembley? ‘If they move the Islamic conference, we will demo there instead’? Inciting hate, at a moderate conference? Come on, if you cannot see that is latently and unashamedly fascist, then I’m at a loss.
I think we all know the EDL could start a riot in an empty room.
“why do Muslims who protest have to protest to the extreem, why cant they do it in a subtle, considered way when the time is right. ”
What? Like the EDL do, you mean…?
“there were 60 yo ladies shouting and crying at their actions, do you bundle them into the fascist camp as well?”
Pointless rhetoric; did the old ladies turn up half pissed in balaclavas..?
If you want to know what we are all about, there is a wealth of info in the ‘Articles’ and ‘Myths’ tabs above.
June 16th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
I know all about the EDL, there mainly a a bunch of chavs, however if they are fascist then so are the UAF. Would a non violent protest against radical Islam be fascist, because they have had plenty of those? I think 1.11 mins on this is suitable for the is discussion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaouMZGICcc from Thomas Sowell.
My point was, even without them there people were upset people who were not EDL. Remember the first protest at a homecoming? Police had to protect the muslims there, that was before the EDL was invented, it was a natural reaction to such an appalling protest. The fact that at this event there were a few people in hoodies at the front does make it a EDl V Muslim event. If there were angry Jews there would it have been Zionist Thugs V Muslim? The catalyst for this even, the catalyst for the war, the catalyst that creates the EDL in the first place are what the media calls Radical Muslims, what muslims call ‘Muslims’.
This blog is an anti BNP blog, fair enough. If you dont like the way our democratic system works and you want to have a selection of parties that you agree with for us to vote for then fine. To be fair you havent deleted my posts and you have an open platform which is to be commented. The UAF dont even have a comments part to their website and save all the discussion to the ultra communist forums (to which I find far more offensive than any BNP discussion).
I looked at the myths and facts section and to be honest its a mixture of comments about the BNP and EDL that I couldn’t care less about. What is interesting (and really the point of my first post) is that you dont follow these against others who have far far worse views:
“Both the BNP and EDL are most vocal about how the UK should be a Christian country, with no other religions and no other laws. This of course is supposed to refer to Islam and Sharia Law, but by definition would also include all other minority religions and their rules covering their adherents’ religious practices.”
You really should read the Koran and Hadiths, they do allow other religions ‘of the book’, however you have to pay the Jizya tax and you looses some rights as a citizen. Throughout history any country majority muslim that has Sharia Law punishes and oppresses non Muslim. If you are not a Muslim you can convert, pay the Jizya or die. If you are not religious at its convert or die. If you look at a moderate Muslim country like Turkey, look at how many mosques have been build and how many Churches have been applied for and failed planning permission only to be build on at a later date by churches. Look at the population of Christians in the middle east and how few churches there are for them, they are not allowed to have them or build them. If you travel and live in the middle east you will know the story that is told and the actual events that happen are totally different. it is there in black and white, its there in practice.
Also in that statement you make it clear that having Sharia law would be fine, its only the Muslims who would be effected by it. So what about the women and children that would be punished by Sharia? Do you agree Muslim law overrides British law? Have you seen judgments of Sharia Law in other counties and do you agree in the back peddling of women’s rights, gay rights etc if Sharia laws judgment contravened our current laws? Ask any muslim the punishment for apostasy is, punishment for homosexuality, etc etc etc etc etc etc and see if the rules of our land, racial or religious acts means anything at all to them.
This is why I asked about the MBC, if you find the BNP and EDL so repugnant because of their views, why not other groups who have far far far worse views?
Why do you not even discuss groups in the UK who are banned across the middle east and most of the world who call for the eradication of all the Jews? If the BNP who have actually killed nobody and who were voted in by democracy worse?
sorry one more point, this is the reason we have this problem:
“no, we were protecting our freedom of speach them imperialist soldiers are killing our babies and that in MUSLIMS countries, not english countries, stay out of our countries we dont need uaf help muslims live under the will of allah and allah will guide us. may the soldiers burn for eternity for killing MUSLIMS.”
Muslims in the UK do not consider themselves British in any way shape or form, ‘keep out of our countries’ why are they here then protesting, why not protesting in the counrty they think is theirs? We dont protest in Iran if we are unhappy with their actions – mainly because we would he shot in the street. It means they either they dont see the UK as their country or they will only think of themselves as a citizen once we are an islamic state. These are the thoughts of the most moderate Muslim (although there is much debate if there is such a thing).
Anyhow – I respect that you are a anti BNP I just find it amazing how the effort that goes into this small fraction of people that pose no real threat whiles much larger threats that are upon us get no opposition at all.
June 16th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
“This blog is an anti BNP blog, fair enough. If you dont like the way our democratic system works and you want to have a selection of parties that you agree with for us to vote for then fine.”
Why are you being rude? We have given you the platform denied you by some other groups, and still you are making these pointed, accusatory posts. We don’t give two hoots who anyone votes for, as long as their vote is an informed one. We are an information and news resource, not a demagogy. As is abundantly clear from the disclaimers posted all over this website, we have no political bias, and are staffed by individuals from all areas of the political spectrum, not just the ‘Big Three’.
Honestly, with no disrespect to you, repeating ourselves over this stuff which is easy for the reader to find for themselves is tiring.
“You really should read the Koran and Hadiths”
More assumptions. Almost all of us here HAVE read the Koran, and sopme of us have also read the Bible, Torah, Gita etc etc etc…. Don’t try and tell us we are ignorant, please. We don’t appreciate it.
“Remember the first protest at a homecoming?”
Yes, the counter demo was arranged by Jeff Marsh AKA ‘Arrylad’ AKA ‘Joe cardiff’, who has long associations with various football forms and groups of thugs.
“Throughout history any country majority muslim that has Sharia Law punishes and oppresses non Muslim.”
Irrelevant; the UK is not ‘majority Muslim’, nor will it ever be. You might be perciveing some kind of massive threat from Islam here, but the simple fact is, there is none. A handful of nutters does not an extremist movement make. That’s the paranoid assumption the EDL has come to, and it’s nothing more than scaremongering.
“This is why I asked about the MBC, if you find the BNP and EDL so repugnant because of their views, why not other groups who have far far far worse views?”
If you mean, for example, groups like Islam4UK, if you care to read back far enough, you wull see we have openly opposed them, too. Which of these groups has ‘far far far worse views’ is open to debate and interpretation.
“If you look at a moderate Muslim country like Turkey, look at how many mosques have been build and how many Churches have been applied for and failed planning permission only to be build on at a later date by churches.”
This is rubbish, put out and perpetuated by the far right.
“Muslims in the UK do not consider themselves British in any way shape or form”
Rubbish. That’s a sweeping statement and not true in any way. There are many thousands of ‘normal’ Muslims in this country who consider themselves British – some of them work here.
I suggest you get out of your comfort zone and go meet a few Muslims personally, rather than taking as gospel some of the far-right untruths you have regurgitated here. We meet thousands in the course of our work (and our real lives), and among the many thousands of individuals we meet, that post on our sites etc, I can personally recall extremists comments from one person only. I have been doing this for two years with 1MU, and for many more prior to this engagement.
June 16th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
“I know all about the EDL, there mainly a a bunch of chavs, however if they are fascist then so are the UAF.”
Again…. not UAF, so irrelevant to us.
June 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
”Again…. not UAF, so irrelevant to us.”
Nope, just another left wing organisation bent on confronting right wing ‘fascism’ (you know the types – the type that protest against the abuse of our servicemen or people like Geert Wilders who speak out against Qu’ranically inspired violence against homosexuals) whilst turning a blind eye to the far more serious threat of islamofascism.
How refreshing.
UAF / 1MU – meh, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
June 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
“Remember the first protest at a homecoming?” was in reference to the Mulsim protesters at the homecoming, not the protest after that event. There were no EDL at the homecoming parade.
I said you should read the Koran as you dont seem to understand the implication sof allowing Sharia Law into the UK, the statement on you ‘facts’ page seems to imply it would be fine to have it in the UK so we should not protest against it as its inclusive of all religions.
I dont know where you live but in my street we have gone from 0% muslim to about 40% at present. All the stats show that it is on the increase, they differ in how quickly but its not know as the fastest growing religion for nothing. Islam is the second highest religion in the uk with 2.4 (est) Million worshipers, 1.6million recorded in 2001, so the increase is real, definiate and increasing with 85 Sharia courts (known about) in the UK from 0 in 2001.
I would not call the MBC, hizb ut taria etc a handful of nutters, the EDL dont run schools, they dont get thousands of pounds in grants from the government and dont have networks of supporters globally.
Regardin Turkey, im not sure what you think I read, it wasn’t from a far anything, it was various documents from Serkan Ocak (a Turk) and the pope (I cant be sure but dont think hes in the EDL).
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17031&geo=1&size=A
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7807115/Christians-in-Middle-East-are-ignored-Vatican-claims.html
I do know a lot of Muslims, the ones I know very well have many of the interests that I do, drinking, having fun, reading, listening to music. But this is where they are then not muslims. There is no ‘Muslim lite’ the Koran does not allow for deviation and interpretation (unless your an Iman), so the Radical Muslims are just muslims. If I follow Hitler and read mein kampf but dont gas jews and im not a socialist am I a Nazi?
June 16th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
@Jenson – “There is no ‘Muslim lite’ the Koran does not allow for deviation and interpretation”
Erm… ALL religious texts are open to interpretation. If they were not, theology would cease to exist. ALL World religions morph over time to allow for societal change.
“I said you should read the Koran as you dont seem to understand the implication sof allowing Sharia Law into the UK, the statement on you ‘facts’ page seems to imply it would be fine to have it in the UK so we should not protest against it as its inclusive of all religions.”
The article does not say that at all. It says that Sharia Law is already here, working well, and is of no relevance to anyone who is on Muslim. It has to adhere to EU law, since this is an EU country.
Please tell us, where exactly are all these problems caused by Sharia? We are not aware of any. In fact, most far rightists don’t even know it is already here and ticking over nicely in Muslim communities; they don’t know because it does not affect them.
“I dont know where you live but in my street we have gone from 0% muslim to about 40% at present. ”
The World outside your window is not represenative of the entire UK; to use this defence is just an ad hominem. Frankly, it’s a bit lazy, and we hear it every day.
I cannot speak for everyone here, since I’m the only one adminning today, but personally, I live in a very multicultural part of London, and I do not feel threatened by my neighbours, regardless of their faith. Sorry.
This is because, for every community that DOES have a growing ethnic community, there are a gadzillion other smaller places with next to no ethnic community; it’s all about balance, and recognising and acknowledging that balance exists.
“If I follow Hitler and read mein kampf but dont gas jews and im not a socialist am I a Nazi?”
If you follow Hitler and like Nick Griffin think ‘he had some good ideas’, then yes, you are a Nazi. Naziism was never socialist; that was a part of their propaganda, populism ensnares the ignorant. I think we all know that to be a fact.
Of course, this is rhetoric; you could also be studying political history, or just be a garden variety fruit-loop…
June 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
@Jenson – Oh, FYI; listening to music and reading are not forbidden under any Islamic law we are aware of…… I think you are confusing British Muslims with, maybe the Taliban…?
A common error, but one that produces a lot of tutting at 1MU…. because, again, we hear it daily and it has no truth to it at all.
June 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
@Mark – Wilders is little more than a joke to the Dutch; the EDL take him more seriously! Make of that what you will… He was done for incitement for a very good reason; his ‘film’ was a blatant incitement to hatred. I don’t know how much plainer we can make it.
“if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”
It doesn’t though, does it?
UAF are no platform; we are not. UAF are borderline militant; we are not. We are a rich source of resources; UAF are not. I could go on and on, but I think (I hope) you get the idea…
If exposing fascism is a crime, sue us.
There IS no ’serious threat of islamofascism’; no amount of recycled rhetoric, or regurgitated BNP/EDL buzzwords will convince us of what we have researched at length. A handful of oddballs does not equate to a ’serious threat’.
June 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
OK,
‘Muslim lite’ – The Koran differs from other books as Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the verbal book of divine guidance and direction for mankind, and consider the original Arabic verbal text to be the final revelation of God. Unlike all other religions there has been 0% reform. Anything that is not clear in the Koran is in the Hadiths. Music is tolerated depending on the school of Islam, anything that detracts you from worshiping, some schools allow only Islamic rhythmic pray, others allow songs for the religion. I dont know of any schools of islam that permit Puff Daddy or the Prodigy. `lahwal hadith’ is a hot topic but western music and western videos for any School of Islam is Harram. Just because they do watch and listen doesn’t mean its following Islam. Google lahwal hadith, have a look at the teachings of the 4 main schools of Islam that cover 95% of the Muslim global populations and let me know what music can be listen too.
“ALL World religions morph over time to allow for societal change.” – Not for Islam, 7th century thinking and texts are used today by Islam for their teachings. Enlighten me in the current modern day modified Islamic thinking on Homosexuality? Womens rights?
Sharia Law – we have no idea if its working well or not as they are not accountable to anyone, there is no open book policy on the rulings. Its up to the Judge in each court to make the judgment based on their beliefs. How do you know the rulings from these are acceptable to the people who go to them, if a woman goes tot one and is ruled against what ombudsman does she go to? Are you really for a separate court system with no transparency? Really?
Population – You said the Muslim population would never be dominate, I merely told you what is happening where I live, not that is is right or wrong. The figures across Europe are real, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm look at the Office for National Statistics for Muslim birthrates, etc to see that it is happening. I have no problems with the Muslims in my street, mainly because im not invited into their homes, they worship in separate places, they have a mobile Halal meat vendor who doesn’t knock at my door, they socialize in compete separation to me. And before you have an image of my house being covered in BNP stickers im a friendly and open person which is whyI have read so much about their faith. I spoke to one of the sons next door about why we get the cold shoulder and he said him parents tell them not to mix with the kaffars. There not extremists, he works for the council, they dont blow anyone up but its a religion of segregation. I socialise with the polish couple, the swiss guy and everyone else in the street and they return socialise with me.
Hitler – I think you totally missed the point about following Hitler, lets not go there we may run out of pixels.
Your definitely not UAF and its nice to have a discussion rather than a ban for a change. You never know we may all learn something new.
June 16th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
”Wilders is little more than a joke to the Dutch”
24 seats in the Dutch parliament – 3rd largest party. A dutch equivalent of Nick Clegg in parliamentary coalition terms (except of course, that Wilders with his amount of seats will have far more power in the coalition than Clegg could ever dream of). Some joke.
”He was done for incitement for a very good reason;…”
Agreed, but it didn’t work. He still came in 3rd.
” …his ‘film’ was a blatant incitement to hatred.”
Ah yes, showing Imans calling for muslims to behead infidels followed by, erm… muslims beheading infidels. Why that’s inciting hatred – just like those reporters who documented the noises coming out of Nuremberg and tried to link them to the Nazi’s mass murder of the jews right?
There IS no ’serious threat of islamofascism’.
How can you say that when your post and my post before were largely about a guy who was barred – under pressure from Lord Ahmed – from coming to the UK for what amounts to ‘blasphemy’ crimes? When cases of FGM and honour killings (on UK citizens) is on the rise and when a de-westernisation of muslims is blatantly apparent on a generational level? Todays young British muslims are far more likely to find themselves in a Pakistani terrorist training camp than their british muslim parents or their british muslim grand parents. The centre for social cohesion (Douglas Murrays lot) commissioned a report that showed quite clearly that radicalisation of young muslims was going on in British Universities and a recent TV report confirmed the same about our prisons.
But hey-ho, pretend it’s not happening and set up websites about drunken football hooligans and how they are going to bring down the UK. No doubt your lot would be protesting in the street against Bomber commands attack on Dresden as Nazi Stormtroopers were running riot through Westminster.
June 16th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
@Jenson – “Your definitely not UAF and its nice to have a discussion rather than a ban for a change. You never know we may all learn something new.”
This is always our hope; to prove that discussion can become hated and riddled with disagreement, without the need for name-callking, censorship, aggression etc.
June 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
@Mark – Exactly our point – look at the situation we have here currently; the Dutch do not want this. Holland is a small country, with a smaller parliament; it is easier for extemists to gain grunds in such conditions and does not mean that the public suport Wilders any more than they support the Lib Dems here.
Wilders’ film, in terms of incitment, is less about content and more about agenda.
“But hey-ho, pretend it’s not happening and set up websites about drunken football hooligans and how they are going to bring down the UK. No doubt your lot would be protesting in the street against Bomber commands attack on Dresden as Nazi Stormtroopers were running riot through Westminster.”
Please refrain from making idle assumptions about us. We have not made them about you. A little politenenss would not go amiss, especially when you consider you have been given a platform here; something denied to anti-fascists by the EDL consistently.
June 16th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I dont think Wilders and Nick Griffin can be bundled together. Wilders gained ground because people voted for him. Its a glimpse into the future, think the Dutch were a little upset about its artists being stabbed to death in the street and anyone who wanted to comment on or discuss Islam having to have 24 hour security to stop them being killed. He wasn’t a distant 3rd, hes nor far right – if you look at his political views he is very left. Why cant you have an opinion about a religion that kills people on a daily basis in the name of Allah without being called far right?
How many people who oppose the EDL or UAF have to have 24 hour security? There is not even a minority of the minority that will come and kill you, yet Insult Islam and the Majority will want to kill you with only a few entire countries and a few thousand in your own country actually willing to kill you. When there are that many people a) willing or b) complacent to the threat, then its not a minority. Where are the ‘cartoonists have the freedom to speech’ rallies from moderate muslims?
an interesting article of research from 9/11 poll in the USA. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/03/14/inside-the-minds-of-muslims+.html
June 16th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
“How many people who oppose the EDL or UAF have to have 24 hour security?”
You’d be surprised. Most of us and our peers get regular threats of violence etc from the BNP, EDL etc. We are all on very good terms with our local constabularies
June 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
”Please refrain from making idle assumptions about us. We have not made them about you.”
This is the problem though – you HAVE made assumptions about me. You have assumed that I – as someone who voted BNP at the last election and at the Euro elections – am someone who has swallowed propaganda without research and voted, sheep like, BNP. This is from your ‘about 1MU’ page ”We believe the reason is the extensive propaganda campaign that has led some disaffected voters to be taken in by the myths spread by the BNP”.
Assumption 1: I am a disaffected voter – ie a resentful rebel voting BNP to stick two fingers up at the establishment. Wrong – I am a BNP voter because although I realise a BNP government would be an absolute disaster for the UK I realise (as probably 99% of BNP voters realise) that they will never be in government. All I want is a a handful of BNP MPs to be in the house of commons to question cuts in education budgets, for example, whilst increasing aid to build schools in other countries. I would like an MP who would be there for me when, for example, my wife was told that she was not welcome at a parent-teachers meeting because there would be prayers after the meeting and she was not a muslim. Yes this happened. In London. In the UK – not Iran.
Assumption 2: I have been taken in by myths peddled by the BNP. With over 15,000 Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide since 9/11 is it not possible that it is YOU that has been taken in by the myth of ”moderate islam”?
”A little politenenss would not go amiss”
I see. Female genital mutilation and honour killings (both involving UK citizens) doesn’t warrant a response but my suggestion that you are protesting against the wrong crowd has riled you to response.
Regarding being given a platform – oh please – we are not an islamic state yet. The freedom to enjoy two way, often dissenting, conversation is the default position in the UK. Pointing out that you meet, where others fall short of, this default position is hardly boast worthy.
June 16th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
So no, non of you need security or has been attacked or killed. So the rests of the post is agreeable then. cool
June 16th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
@Jenson – With respect, our personal security is our business.
June 16th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
@Mark – I think you need some new material…
June 16th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
LOL, I wasn’t after the details of your security (which you say you dont have), if was a point in reference to the real threat posed by different groups. As this dialogue had distilled into the different issue we are left with if you have security or not rather than the original post that was in reference to the headline ‘Exclusive: EDL Boasts Of Barking Violence’ equally blaming the ELD for the confrontation at the soldiers march (equal except the title of the article).
Funnily enough as I came home there was a letter from my sons school. Last week we found out (is was in the small print in the press) where his school had been serving Halal meat without telling all the parents. As the muslim population of the school was over 50% Muslim (yes the population of muslims is growing) they swapped to Halal without our knowledge and lets just say not everyone was happy. We were told that the kids could have a vegetarian option but there was no non halal meat option. The letter today was an update that they had mot made any changes yet and we can opt out of school meals.
My argument was a) my wife and I are both vegetarian, b) out son eats meat but we dont agree with the cruel way that Halal meat is slaughtered against EU animal rights rules c) the halal meat is taxed with the tax going to the local Mosques ( a double tax, tax ont eh slaughter and the Zakat on the business) and d) Its more expensive than normal meat (because of the tax and the time to slaughter). My son cannot have non halal meat in his school, several years ago when the muslim school population ars under 20% special meals were brought in for the muslims, but now they wont bring special meals in for him.
When we complained we were called racists, it shows the double standard that is now accepted by UK and the eradication of my rights not to fund Islam by eating meat at school has gone, I can opt out of school meals but I dont want to as my son should be inclusive of the school not excluded for his beliefs, either way the money I make to pay council tax goes to Muslim causes if I like it or not. Its a Jizya through the back door, its happening now with no complaint, no group standing up for me. Thats when I say the EDL are no issue here, if they want to fight with extremists (UAF, MAC etc) then why should we bother, the Moderate Muslim as you call it is effecting my life directly and its increasing, any opposition and im a racist.
June 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am
@Jenson – Forgive me, but I think this discussion would be better on our Facebook group?
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8644741474
Can’t guarantee someone will always be here to reply you in a timely fashion, and I think your willingness to debate deserves a platform where others can discuss it too. Convo can be limited here, due toworkload etc but the group is always buzzing with activity
June 17th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Thanks for that – unfortunately im over 13 so I dont have a facebook account. The thing is the more people involved in this type of discussion the less sense you get out of them. Every time I have had a detailed back and forth like this the serious points made which I feel are very hard to argue against just get ignored. Would be nice once for someone to reply, wow thats terrible you have the right to choose etc…….. but hey ho ill join facebook while my liberties are trampled on and my local Muslim councilor says…well its a discussion you need to have with the school…..
I shall try before I commit myself to a trampled cockroach existence.
June 17th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Facebook is very double-edged; it’s a very usful political tool, one of the best in our arsenal these days, but is also VERY sloppy in terms of admin and security.
If I had a quid for every report of sickening abuse I have reported that has been ignored, 1MU would be global by now… FB’s lax attitude to bullying, racism etc aggravates us deeply. They whould be working with grous like ours, not against us. And they are run by Jews! The anti-semitism is palpable.
June 17th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
The jews are anti jew?